Talk:The universe was created with apparent age
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Someone put discussion into an article page again: --tk 08:59, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- If the Universe is indeed younger than the evidence says it is, there is no reason to believe that the Universe wasn't created last Thursday, nor is there any reason to believe that a 10,000-year-old Earth is any more or less likely than a 1-day-old Earth. <<YECs would claim that there IS reason to believe that the Universe wasn't created last Thursday, that the Bible is the "evidence.">>
- Apparent age is indistinguishable from real age. Why not forget the distinction and just call it age? <<No, apparent age is distinguishable from real age, conceptually. My girlfriend appears to be 27 years old, but she is actually 33. One of those ages is real and the other is apparent. The concept of a 10,000-year-old earth that appears to be much older is not impossible to conceive.>>
- The universe has not only an apparent age; it also has an apparent history. Creating Adam as a fully grown adult gives the appearance of age. Creating Adam as a fully grown adult with a scar from an operation indicates a faked history. Similarly, creating starlight in transit from the distant stars gives the appearance of age. Creating starlight from a supernova that appears to have occurred thousands of years ago and thus never actually existed at all gives an apparent history. The first may be defensible, the second is clear deception.
- This claim makes God into a liar on a literally astronomical scale, since he created an appearance different from reality. Romans 1:20 says that God is to be "understood from what has been made." The apparent age claim says we can't trust what has been made. Can this the God of Truth of which the Bible speaks? <<If you've ever talked to any real YECs, you can predict their response to this. "God isn't lying to you; you just don't have the capacity to understand what you see. People weren't meant to understand the mysteries of the universe." This "we weren't meant to know" argument is a catch-all response that is given whenever they realize that logic has failed them. Creationists, or anyone who clings to any myth in the face of reality/commmon-sense, are not persuaded by logic or well-formulated arguments. It is a waste of your energy to battle these people. The only time that argumentation is useful is when both sides agree on what should be used as a judge of truth. Scientists believe that physical evidence is the basis of truth. Christians believe it is the Bible. You may as well be speaking difference languages.>>
Sorry
Sorry, that was my fault. It was my first time visiting the site. It's funny, I was did a Google search for the "age of the universe" to find a reasonable estimate and all I got were links to creationists' sites claiming that it's about 10,000 years old. And your site. Why do you let people edit your articles freely like this?
Mostly because that's the whole point of a wiki. Granted, it means we do have to keep an eye on things and stomp on YECs and spambots, but "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance", right? Cubist
I'm not a YEC. I was just playing devil's advocate.
