Talk:Mousetrap

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Hmm...Just noticed the biological traps page, in which all these bases are covered to some degree. This one may be redundant. --GFA 08:20, 1 Jan 2004 (GMT)

circular logic

A simple mousetrap is DESIGNED to kill mice. A nice example for irreducibly complex systems.

But if you take DESIGNED mousetraps as argument for DESIGNERD life you're using circular logic. Am I godlike by building simple mouse traps? Thus the whole argument of irreducibly complex systems is using circular logic if it is reliing on examples and models like DESIGNED Mouse traps.

Its just a very bad argument example for Intelligent design.

Evowiki did not choose the mousetrap as an example of an Irreducibly Complex System: Michael Behe chose it as he thought it was a simple example to use, as opposed to finding some sort of contraption that has over 5 dozen parts to it, like, say, a really cheap mixer. The purpose of this article at Evowiki is to show what Michael Behe had to say about this example, AND show all of the holes in his logic. If we're not allowed to show the arguments anti-evolutionists say, how do you expect us to rebutt them?--Mr A. 23:00, 2 April 2006 (BST)

elemental

All parts/elements of irreducibly complex systems (mouce trap parts) are also elements of other irreducibly complex systems (parts of other possible "machines"). The smallest irreducibly complex systems are dualistic, made out of 2 elements/parts. You can also make irreducibly complex systems out of a (small) given number of the same one element/pat. A rope of micetrap-springs has many uses.

Elements and parts are limited, combinations of them are unlimited. Chances try many of them. Physical rules set the posibilities of tried combinations. The more elements/parts are used the more specialized and limited are the possibilities of the result.

Yes, scientists know this, and it has been proven so for several decades now, and we're trying to inform people that "Irreducible Complexity" is wrong because it has been proven wrong for several decades before Michael Behe got this stupid idea out of his pretty little head. In otherwords, this article is one of several articles on this site that are to give people the message "Don't get on this plane because it's already crashed and burned before it even left the factory!" about Irreducible Complexity.--Mr A. 23:03, 2 April 2006 (BST)