Talk:Hitler's views had many influences
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I dunno, is this necessary for this site?--Mr A. 18:13, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
TalkOrigins concentrates on the scientific questions. I'm new to EvoWiki, but seeing the section on creationist arguments/ethics, I thought it would be appropriate. I spend quite a bit of time 'debating' with creationists, and they often come up with the 'Hitler was an evilutionist' justification for hating evolution. I thought it might be useful for others to have these quotes available. Maybe we could wait a bit to see if anyone else comments? --Barry Desborough 18:22, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
- Good point. It's just that I was afraid some people might perceive this entry as an attack on Christianity, even with the disclaimers... ("I dun told dem not to tease ol' Soupcan, t'ain't mah fault they lost their fingers 'cause they didn't read the sign about feeding de 'turtles.")--Mr A. 18:30, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
- Perhaps the filename and title are a bit too provocative - I'll change them if it will allay your concerns. I'm certainly no anti-Christian. I'd like to develop this theme, tracing other (non-Christian) influences on Hitler too, and perhaps some other info on his personality and the historical context. A general point/question, I'm hoping that this wiki is a good place to develop counter-creationist/ID arguments, to avoid the ceaseless repetition of work that is involved in debating with these people. They certainly do not constrain themselves to science and factual questions. My intention is constrain myself, but to address their arguments. I hope this is a suitable site for this purpose?--Barry Desborough 19:47, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
What it really needs is just a repetition of the "Hitler based his racism on Darwin" refutations, namely that claiming to base your views on X isn't the same as doing so, and that perverting X to support your views isn't basing your views on X at all. I think with a detailed enough disclaimer, this page should be helpful. --Suttkus 04:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
Just done a rename and a re-edit to reflect the comments above. I'll probably come back to make further improvements, but anyone's welcome to make suggestions or re-edit the page themselves.--Barry Desborough 09:22, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
- The article is certainly relevant, although that we cannot infer from Hitler's misconceptions of Christianity to Hitler's misconceptions of Darwinian evolution :-) But of course, if it Hitler was a failure of Darwinian evolution, then the article does indicate that he was a failure of Christianity as well, so they should both go down the drain.
- More seriously, I would suggest that the article mentions, how Hitler misunderstood darwinian evolution. In Darwinian evolution superiority/inferiority are not innate, but relative to environment. For instance, "white" people are white, because that somehow has been avantageous in their physical environment, and "black" people are black, because that somehow has been avantageous in their physical environment. And nothing can be inferred about character traits or culture from that! The Nazi idea was that the Germans were genetically superior independent of environment, that is as an innate quality, and they had been degenerated due to mixture with Jews. The vision was a return to the "original" Germans of the Age of Emigration. However, the notions about those was based on literature, the products of court poets, and of course was not necessarily historically correct, nor telling much about the majority of the people, who weren't warriors.
- --FreezBee 13:45, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
It's generally said that Hitler (or at least other high-ranking Nazi) based a large portion of their beliefs on pagan mysticism. If there's enough truth to this that can be separated from sensationalistic rumor, it should probably be mentioned. --Suttkus 15:40, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
