Talk:Evolutionists think that apes became ever fitter when climbing the evolutionary ladder

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""Fit" is not a relative classification. Fitness is determined by survival. Survival is a binary condition. There is no such thing as "more fit" or "less fit", and the "evolutionary ladder" (there is no such thing!) is not a ranking that goes least-to-most fit."

I don't think so. Fitness is probability of leaving descendants, or rather, expected number of descendants, given a specific genome. Whether the individual indeed leaves as many descendants, or is eaten immediately, has nothing to do with its fitness. I'll revert. --tk (t) 08:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The claim from Life-- (p. 84) as I see it is "Why have apes survived when superior ape-men did not?" This claim should be renamed, deleted, or given a different source. Zieber 21:35, 19 May 2008 (BST)