Talk:Abiogenesis has never been observed

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No offense, but has anyone ever really considered that it's not always creationists or ID proponents making this argument?

This is a list of common arguments made by creationists against evolution. Other people making the same argument does not change that.

Your argument is as if I make a list of things in my fridge, and you say: "has anyone ever considered that yoghurt is not always in your fridge but in my fridge too?" --tk (t) 16:27, 9 Sep 2005 (BST)

For example, I have used "Abiogenesis has never been observed" to refute the Atheistic interpretration of evolution as a viable theory of origin. It is impossible to state, with abiogenesis never having been observed, that evolution is a theory of origin, or that we all definitively must have came from the same one-celled organism.

How does that refute "the Atheistic interpretration of evolution"? This is laughable. You are just very confused. --tk (t) 16:27, 9 Sep 2005 (BST)

What do you mean when you mention "a viable theory of origin"? If you're referring to how life got started on Earth in the first place, the theory of evolution doesn't go there -- you want abiogenesis, that's two doors down the hall. As for "abiogenesis never having been observed", that's just the boring old "vas you dere, Cholly?" argument beloved of Creationists. Do you think detectives and forensic scientists can determine how an unwitnessed crime was committed? If so, you obviously don't think "vas you dere, Cholly?" is a valid reason to let convicted criminals go free; why, then, do you think "vas you dere, Cholly?" is a valid reason to reject abiogenesis?

observing the origin of life

"After all, if all life on earth descended from one living organism and that organism itself arose from non-life then no living thing of terrestrial origin could possibly have observed it happen."

This doesn't mean the process is unobservable though, if life was created by a physical/chemical process in the past, surely it can occur again?

Indeed, with this in mind, it is reasonable for scientists to attempt to recreate these (unknown?) conditions in order show a possible creation of life. This process would most likely be observable in lab conditions for several reasons,

1. control of conditions 2. any 'new' life that arises will be very undeveloped for the conditions of this planet (e.g. competition, predation, etc.) and it is likely to immediately to become extinct.

I'm sure you can comment on the start of these ideas to develop them, this isn't really my area and my thoughts are unstructured.